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4/2/21 Jacob Sullum on the Trial of Derek Chauvin

4/2/21 Jacob Sullum on the Trial of Derek Chauvin

Scott interviews Jacob Sullum about the trial of Derek Chauvin for the death of George Floyd. Sullum highlights two important features of the prosecution’s case so far: the first is that paramedics testified to Floyd’s already being dead when they showed up, and the second is an argument about Floyd’s possible drug overdose. Sullum explains that while the level of fentanyl found in Floyd’s system during the autopsy might be high for a normal person, it was actually on the extreme low end of what can cause an overdose, especially for a habitual opioid user. These factors make it unlikely that drug overdose was a primary cause in Floyd’s death—but more importantly, whether drugs played some role or not, the relevant fact in a murder or manslaughter trial is whether the victim would still be alive had the defendant not done what he did. In this case, argues Sullum, Floyd pretty clearly would be.

Discussed on the show:

  • “Derek Chauvin Argues That His Use of Force Was Appropriate and Did Not Kill George Floyd” (Reason)
  • “Derek Chauvin’s Belief That George Floyd Was Intoxicated Does Not Help His Case” (Reason)
  • “Derek Chauvin Blames His Former Colleagues for George Floyd’s Death” (Reason)

Jacob Sullum is a senior editor at Reason Magazine. He is the author of Saying Yes: In Defense of Drug Use and For Your Own Good: The Anti-Smoking Crusade and the Tyranny of Public Health. Follow him on Twitter @jacobsullum.

This episode of the Scott Horton Show is sponsored by: The War State, by Mike Swanson; Tom Woods’ Liberty Classroom;; Photo IQ; Green Mill Supercritical; Zippix Toothpicks; and Listen and Think Audio.

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About Scott Horton

Scott Horton is director of the Libertarian Institute, editorial director of, host of Antiwar Radio on Pacifica, 90.7 FM KPFK in Los Angeles, California and podcasts the Scott Horton Show from He's the author of the 2021 book Enough Already: Time to End the War on Terrorism, the 2017 book, Fool's Errand:Time to End the War in Afghanistan, editor of the 2019 book The Great Ron Paul: The Scott Horton Show Interviews 2004–2019 and the 2022 book Hotter Than The Sun: Time to Abolish Nuclear Weapons. He’s conducted more than 5,800 interviews since 2003. Scott lives in Austin, Texas with his wife, Larisa Alexandrovna Horton.

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