4/2/21 Peter Lee on China’s Treatment of the Uyghur Muslims

4/2/21 Peter Lee on China’s Treatment of the Uyghur Muslims

Scott talks to Peter Lee about the ongoing Uyghur controversy in China. The Chinese government, he says, is trying to integrate their minority Uyghur Muslim population, as part of their larger project to urbanize and centralize China. There is growing concern, especially on the American right, that these efforts represent an outright genocide, with claims of mass forced birth control and up to a million people in detention centers. These fears, Lee says, tend to be exaggerated—though what the Chinese government is doing might be something more like cultural genocide. He stresses that it is important to acknowledge the horrors faced by many citizens of China’s authoritarian government, without using something like this as an excuse to advocate war.

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Peter Lee writes on East and South Asian affairs and their intersection with US global policy. Follow his work on Patreon and on Twitter @chinahand.

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4/2/21 Peter Lee on China’s Treatment of the Uyghur Muslims

4/2/21 Lyle J. Goldstein on the American Military’s Disastrous Indo-Pacific Strategy

Lyle J. Goldstein discusses the terrifying possibility of war between the U.S. and China. There are plenty of hawks in the U.S. government, he says, who might try to fight China were they to attack Taiwan or exert their influence elsewhere in the region. But even leaving aside the potential catastrophe of a nuclear war, Goldstein says American strategists don’t give enough credence to the possibility that China could now defeat the U.S. even in a conventional war. The entire doctrine of trying to be the dominant military power in the world forever is foolish, wasteful and dangerous—instead, America should make clear that it would defend its major allies against unreasonable Chinese aggression, but otherwise not try to govern the other half of the planet under the threat of military force.

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Lyle J. Goldstein is Research Professor in the China Maritime Studies Institute (CMSI) at the United States Naval War College in Newport, RI. He is the author of Meeting China Halfway: How to Defuse the Emerging US-China Rivalry. Follow his work at The National Interest.

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4/2/21 Peter Lee on China’s Treatment of the Uyghur Muslims

4/2/21 Immortal Technique on Slavery, Israel-Palestine and the Politicization of American Society

Scott interviews rapper Immortal Technique in a wide-ranging conversation covering the legacy of slavery in America, the false narrative about Palestine fed to most Americans and the ways that politics has become entwined in daily life like never before. He and Scott agree that the powerful have always deliberately played up the petty differences that divide us, hoping to separate and embitter people who should be natural allies. Social change is possible when regular citizens unite against those who perpetuate the evils of war, colonialism and oppression.

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Immortal Technique is a Peruvian-American rapper and activist, best known for his albums Revolutionary vol. 1Revolutionary vol. 2, The Martyr and the upcoming Middle Passage. Follow him at Viper Records or on Twitter @ImmortalTech.

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4/2/21 Peter Lee on China’s Treatment of the Uyghur Muslims

4/2/21 Grant Smith on Israeli Apartheid and the False Promise of a Two-State Solution

Grant Smith discusses the Israeli government’s occupation of Palestine and its treatment of the Palestinians. There seems to be growing recognition that Israel is presiding over a form of apartheid, including a 2017 UN report attesting to that fact, and a small plurality of Americans, according to a recent survey, who believe America should cut aid to Israel over human rights abuses. But Smith also recognizes that government policies here and abroad often follow a “ratchet” effect—that is, small changes can be made pretty easily in one direction, but almost never get rolled back once instituted. And the trend in recent years has unmistakably been toward greater subjugation of the Palestinians by the Israelis and greater American support as they do so.

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Grant F. Smith is the author of a number of books including Big Israel: How Israel’s Lobby Moves AmericaDivert!, and most recently The Israel Lobby Enters State Government: Rise of the Virginia Israel Advisory Board. He is director of the Institute for Research: Middle Eastern Policy in Washington, D.C.

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4/2/21 Peter Lee on China’s Treatment of the Uyghur Muslims

4/2/21 Larry Wilkerson on the Global Struggle for Power in Asia

Scott talks to Larry Wilkerson, former army Colonel and Chief of Staff to Secretary of State Colin Powell, about America’s involvement in Asia, both during his time in the federal government and today. Wilkerson calls America’s exploits over the last few decades a part of “The Great Game,” a reference to the conflict between global powers like the British and Russian Empires over territory in the Middle East and the rest of Asia. This competition for hegemony never really ended, he says, although the players and stakes have changed to some extent. These days, the U.S. competes with China and Russia for control over fossil fuel supplies, trade routes and access to the nuclear stockpiles of smaller powers like Pakistan. But he and Scott agree that we have no business whatsoever trying to be the dominant power halfway across the world, and should pull our focus back to our own problems.

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4/2/21 Peter Lee on China’s Treatment of the Uyghur Muslims

What I Told the Texas State Legislature

Last week, myself and a great group of antiwar veterans, led by BringOurTroopsHome.us testified before a committee of the Texas Senate in favor of new Defend the Guard legislation proposed by Rep. Bryan Slaton. (Admittedly, my statement was not so well received as a similar one was in Montana the week before that. But lessons were learned and the other guys did great, so it looks like it will pass out of committee and on to Calendars, at least.)

Thank you very much for considering this important legislation.

I’d like to mention something that is becoming a real crisis in this country, and that is the move by American liberals and progressives further to the left toward what they call “democratic socialism” in the Bernie Sanders fashion. This is especially true among the Millennials and Generation Z. It does not just mean the push for a larger welfare state, but more and more they reject market capitalism broadly defined and believe that all large holdings of wealth and property should be taxed away or otherwise taken over by governments to manage. This of course would be an absolute catastrophe.

But so then why is this happening? It is not because of the failures of free markets to deliver prosperity, but primarily the failure of American militarism which destroys trillions of dollars and wastes billions of hours of man and brain power that would otherwise go to productive uses.

It was Republican President and former 5-Star General Dwight Eisenhower who warned about the corrupting influence of what he called the Military-Industrial Complex now 60 years ago, but there has been no reckoning since. Recent presidents Obama and Trump both echoed Ike’s same complaint about Pentagon officials overriding the will of the country’s civilian leaders to roll back U.S. intervention.

America stays at war largely because Lockheed-Martin, Boeing, Raytheon, Northrup-Grumman and other major military contractors spend millions of dollars buying up lobbyists, think tankers, Pentagon officials and Congressman to make certain the government continues to patronize their firms. It is as simple as that. It is not unmentionable. Everyone knows it. And it is as wrong as it can be.

American militarism also necessitates an inflationary monetary policy so that the government can continue to expand its overseas footprint without having to raise taxes, which can cause too much open resistance. But this monetary inflation leads not only to rising prices across the board, but to massive bubbles in certain sectors, leading to terrible economic crashes as we’ve survived in 2000, 2008 and last year, which, though forced by the lockdowns, was due anyway, even though so many Americans had never recovered from the last bust. And as anyone living through the massive inflation in the housing market in Texas today can tell you, there have never been so many homeless families living on the streets of our state.

For all these problems, the free market takes the rap. Capitalism in general is said to be discredited. The distortions caused by permanent war then threaten all of our prosperity in even more severe ways in the future if present trends continue.

And this proves the case: we can have either a republic or an empire but we cannot have it both ways.

The best thing you can do to help to preserve our freedom and prosperity would be for you to prove the Constitution is still the law and that American is still a republic. Texas could lead the more than 30 states considering similar Defend the Guard legislation this year to let it be known that the people of this country want an end to unconstitutional wars and that the states’ legislatures in fact do represent them and are determined to demonstrate that it is so.

Thank you.

4/2/21 Peter Lee on China’s Treatment of the Uyghur Muslims

4/2/21 Jacob Sullum on the Trial of Derek Chauvin

Scott interviews Jacob Sullum about the trial of Derek Chauvin for the death of George Floyd. Sullum highlights two important features of the prosecution’s case so far: the first is that paramedics testified to Floyd’s already being dead when they showed up, and the second is an argument about Floyd’s possible drug overdose. Sullum explains that while the level of fentanyl found in Floyd’s system during the autopsy might be high for a normal person, it was actually on the extreme low end of what can cause an overdose, especially for a habitual opioid user. These factors make it unlikely that drug overdose was a primary cause in Floyd’s death—but more importantly, whether drugs played some role or not, the relevant fact in a murder or manslaughter trial is whether the victim would still be alive had the defendant not done what he did. In this case, argues Sullum, Floyd pretty clearly would be.

Discussed on the show:

  • “Derek Chauvin Argues That His Use of Force Was Appropriate and Did Not Kill George Floyd” (Reason)
  • “Derek Chauvin’s Belief That George Floyd Was Intoxicated Does Not Help His Case” (Reason)
  • “Derek Chauvin Blames His Former Colleagues for George Floyd’s Death” (Reason)

Jacob Sullum is a senior editor at Reason Magazine. He is the author of Saying Yes: In Defense of Drug Use and For Your Own Good: The Anti-Smoking Crusade and the Tyranny of Public Health. Follow him on Twitter @jacobsullum.

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4/2/21 Peter Lee on China’s Treatment of the Uyghur Muslims

3/26/21 Daniel Davis: US War With China Over Taiwan Would Be Foolish and Costly

Daniel Davis talks to Scott about the possibility of war with China. Davis fears that despite what would seem to be common sense arguments against ever fighting such a war, that’s the direction that the American military establishment is heading in. The war planners in Washington seem to think that even though the U.S. and China both have large nuclear arsenals, we could fight a conventional war without either side resorting to nukes. This is the height of foolishness, says Davis, but even if we did somehow avoid nuclear war, China could probably defeat the United States easily using only conventional weapons, if we tried to come to them on their turf. We must find a way to disentangle ourselves from distant conflicts in which we have no interest, like the dispute between China and Taiwan, before it’s too late to turn back.

Discussed on the show:

  • “Surprise Attack: How China Could Start a War Against Taiwan” (19FortyFive)
  • “US War With China Over Taiwan Would Be Foolish and Costly” (Business Insider)

Daniel Davis did multiple tours in Iraq and Afghanistan during his time in the army. He writes a weekly column for National Interest and is the author of the reports “Dereliction of Duty II: Senior Military Leaders’ Loss of Integrity Wounds Afghan War Effort” and “Go Big or Go Deep: An Analysis of Strategy Options on Afghanistan.” Find him on Twitter @DanielLDavis1.

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4/2/21 Peter Lee on China’s Treatment of the Uyghur Muslims

3/26/21 Jack Matlock on America’s Unnecessarily Hostile Relationship With Russia

Jack Matlock, America’s second-to-last ambassador to the Soviet Union, talks to Scott about relations with Russia today. He stresses that the real ideological differences that once divided America and the USSR don’t stand in the way anymore, and we need not continue to have a hostile relationship with a country that for the most part means us well. In fact, given that Russia, like America, has a huge stockpile of nuclear weapons, friendly cooperation between the two countries is far more important than any small issues like claims of election interference and personal insults between political leaders.

Discussed on the show:

  • “A Biden-Putin Summit?” (accuracy.org)
  • “Building on George Shultz’s Vision of a World Without Nukes” (WSJ)

Jack Matlock is a career diplomat who served as U.S. ambassador to the Soviet Union when the Cold War ended. Since retiring from the Foreign Service, he has focused on understanding how the Cold War ended and how the lessons from that experience might be applied to public policy today.

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4/2/21 Peter Lee on China’s Treatment of the Uyghur Muslims

3/26/21 Matthew Hoh on Biden’s Afghanistan Equivocations

Matthew Hoh comes back on the show to talk about Afghanistan. President Biden said in a recent press conference that due to logistical difficulties, America is unlikely to meet the May 1 withdrawal deadline laid out in the Doha agreement signed under President Trump. Hoh points out that there shouldn’t really be logistical difficulties in getting about 3,000 American troops out of Afghanistan in a month (not to mention the many months both presidents have had already)—really, this is political cover to avoid pulling America out once and for all. No president has been willing to do so so far, largely because of the fear of what will happen in Afghanistan when we leave. The power vacuum created by America’s absence will lead to some chaos, to be sure, but Hoh says there’s simply no way around that fact. The only question now is when America will leave, not if. Staying any longer only continues to put American lives at risk.

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Matthew Hoh is a senior fellow at the Center for International Policy and formerly worked for the U.S. State Department. Hoh received the Ridenhour Prize Recipient for Truth Telling in 2010. Hoh is a member of the Board of Directors for Council for a Livable World and is an Advisory Board Member for Expose Facts. He writes on issues of war, peace and post-traumatic stress disorder recovery at matthewhoh.com.

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